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Bellman
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 Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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He posed the question quite properly and might have added ''discuss.'' Nothing wrong with that.
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Orm
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: Is LWAMI mod a cheat? |
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| OKO wrote: | | Sonoboy wrote: | | I've heard that some people are calling the LWAMI mod a cheat. I'm curious to know why some people think of it that way. |
I've heard that Sonoboy is a green and small E.T. coming from Andromeda.
I'm just curious to know why some people think of him that way.
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What I see? People unable to discuss seriously with others about something. :down: In that way they discredit themselves in the face of others. But that's perhaps not so bad, in fact. :hmm: |
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Sonoboy
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:13 am Post subject: |
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If you want my opinion, I don't think LWAMI is a cheat.
When I go onto GameSpy, just about all the games hosted are standard 1.03. I asked someone about why a LWAMI game is rarely hosted, and he responded that some people think it's a cheat.
Now, I'm not at all saying that all people that host standard 1.03 games think that LWAMI is a cheat. After playing through HyperLobby, and seeing that most gameshosted there, at least when I was around, used LWAMI, I thought the trend would continue in GameSpy.
It's just an observation I had, and wanted some community feedback. |
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Bellman
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:36 am Post subject: |
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Yes I have had the same experience at Gamespy - invariably lately the host used Stock 1.03.
Do'nt know why - will ask in future and try and convert !! I think as Molon said elsewhere players have
expectations of LwAmi performance from early version experience not appropriate to the current version.
Not an easy message to convert with so it may help if LuftWolf summarised and publicised the current situation !  |
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OKO
Joined: 10 Jan 2002
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| Bellman wrote: | | He posed the question quite properly and might have added ''discuss.'' Nothing wrong with that. |
That's right, was just a small joke 
| Quote: | | What I see? People unable to discuss seriously with others about something. In that way they discredit themselves in the face of others. But that's perhaps not so bad, in fact. |
What do I see ? people taking a small joke too seriously ?
In that way they discredit themselves in the face of others. But that's perhaps not so bad, in fact.
take it easy Orm, that's not a big deal, don't take it to the first degree ...  \
I used some small sarcacisms just because usual gamers at gamespy think LWAMI is a cheat when they didn't even take a look at the readme to understand why they have more problems with LWAMI than with stock DW.
In fact, LWAMI kill most of the gameplay compromise made by SCS to find a larger audience, to give more realistic settings.
In fact, this is stock DW who have some cheats compared to LWAMI ... because of this gameplay choices.
| Quote: | | It's just an observation I had, and wanted some community feedback. |
And you were right about that.
if you want to have some fun, ask them why they think LWAMI is a cheat.
You should laught about the answers |
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Orm
Joined: 23 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| OKO wrote: | | Bellman wrote: | | He posed the question quite properly and might have added ''discuss.'' Nothing wrong with that. |
That's right, was just a small joke
| Quote: | | What I see? People unable to discuss seriously with others about something. In that way they discredit themselves in the face of others. But that's perhaps not so bad, in fact. |
What do I see ? people taking a small joke too seriously ?
In that way they discredit themselves in the face of others. But that's perhaps not so bad, in fact.
take it easy Orm, that's not a big deal, don't take it to the first degree ... \
I used some small sarcacisms just because usual gamers at gamespy think LWAMI is a cheat when they didn't even take a look at the readme to understand why they have more problems with LWAMI than with stock DW.
In fact, LWAMI kill most of the gameplay compromise made by SCS to find a larger audience, to give more realistic settings.
In fact, this is stock DW who have some cheats compared to LWAMI ... because of this gameplay choices.
| Quote: | | It's just an observation I had, and wanted some community feedback. |
And you were right about that.
if you want to have some fun, ask them why they think LWAMI is a cheat.
You should laught about the answers |
Ok lets cool off.  Peace.
On the subject. I can only say that I play with both version and enjoy with both. I win with both and get kill with both. I love so much DW in all its mod.  |
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LuftWolf
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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What's happening on GameSpy and the opinions of people there are of no concern to me.
Anyone who thinks the mod is a cheat is more than welcome to keep that opinion, as its so asinine, the effort to convince them otherwise would simply be a bully job of logic and facts. And this is just a game after all, I hate to shatter a persons world unless there is a good reason. 
After all, I as long as Amizaur and I are using the Mod, we are fulfilling out initial goal in making it, so I'm happy with that. The fact that I can play all my MP games using LWAMI is a nice plus, of course, but keeping it in perspective with the intial reasons for making LWAMI, it is an example of wild success, rather than what *should* have been, in my mind anyway. |
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LuftWolf
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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Not to be flippant, but on the plus side, it is good that Gamespy is being used.
On the downside, I think the doctrine level cheating problem is quite widespread there. Not my kind of place, where widely accepted open-source mods are considered cheats (newbies beware the scourge of LWAMI!) and hosts alter their doctrine and mission files. :down: |
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goldorak
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| LuftWolf wrote: | Not to be flippant, but on the plus side, it is good that Gamespy is being used.
On the downside, I think the doctrine level cheating problem is quite widespread there. Not my kind of place, where widely accepted open-source mods are considered cheats (newbies beware the scourge of LWAMI!) and hosts alter their doctrine and mission files. :down: |
A little bit (ok not so little bit) of lobbying for scs to fix the doctrine file issue would be |
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LuftWolf
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| goldorak wrote: | | LuftWolf wrote: | Not to be flippant, but on the plus side, it is good that Gamespy is being used.
On the downside, I think the doctrine level cheating problem is quite widespread there. Not my kind of place, where widely accepted open-source mods are considered cheats (newbies beware the scourge of LWAMI!) and hosts alter their doctrine and mission files. :down: |
A little bit (ok not so little bit) of lobbying for scs to fix the doctrine file issue would be |
Done. |
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Bellman
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 5:50 am Post subject: |
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After another deeply unpleasant experience in Gamespy on Stock 1.03
I shant be revisiting there 
Makes the Bronx and Soho look cosy. :down:  :hulk: |
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goldorak
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| Bellman wrote: | After another deeply unpleasant experience in Gamespy on Stock 1.03
I shant be revisiting there
Makes the Bronx and Soho look cosy. :down: :hulk: |
Whats your unpleasant experience ?
Host that is cheating ?
People disconecting during the game without reason ?
Platforms firing tens of torpedos in a random way ?
How about people coming back to hyperlobby ?
It has been a desert for several months now (at least during the evening hours CET). |
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OneShot
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 7:39 am Post subject: |
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As far as LwAmi being a cheat ... well thats a non-brainer as of course it is no cheat. Actually it helps leveling the playing field a lot (for all parties, ie platforms involved).
As far as cheating goes, well if someone feels the need to compensate for his lack of understanding of what the game is about and how you actually play it, then so be it. But don't expect me to play another round with that guy/gal (to be PC here). Hell you don't even need to exploit the game ... for example if you are playing a P-3, just load it up with DICASS to the brink and drop some neat patterns and blast away ... sooner or later you are bound to find something/someone. But is this realistic or fun? Nope ... am I playing that way ? Nope ... Do I propagate those tactics ? Nope again ...
I was told by another player that playing the P-3 with the above mentioned tactic would be too easy ... I said, then stop playing that way and try to aquire your prey with Passive sensors only. His response was expectably .. No thats to difficult. And on top of that, this exact same player prefers to play with 1 or more other players all preferably in Akulas or Kilos (with Stallion/SS-N-27s/Klub), coordinating happily away to lob the aforementioned weapons from far off towards usually non-SUBROC capable US subs. Now that sounds like fun ...
Bottom Line ... I don't condem a certain place (like GS or HL), but I choose with whom and when I play to get the most out of my free time and the most out of my gaming experience.
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Bellman
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 7:41 am Post subject: |
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G: See ''idiosyncracies'' here and posts at Sonalysts Forums.
Further details of my 'recent' would prejudice my anonymity and be acrimonius.
The first I value the second would be very bad form !
Despite unwarranted aspersions against LwAmi I have to say at GS every single 'bad experience'
has been with hosters of Stock. Fact.
Its Fleet play and MP with trusted players only, for me in future, or abstinence !
I expect this to be a minority viewpont !  
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goldorak
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| Bellman wrote: | G: See ''idiosyncracies'' here and posts at Sonalysts Forums.
Further details of my 'recent' would prejudice my anonymity and be acrimonius.
The first I value the second would be very bad form !
Its Fleet play and MP with trusted players only, for me in future, or abstinence !
I expect this to be a minority viewpont ! |
I don't think that is a minority viewpoint.
Its a natural consequence of the game going mainstream that a lot of new players want the "shoot everything in sight experience", the point is either you find a number of honest players who stick to realistic tactics or try to enroll in some virtual fleet.
I enjoyed playing a lot realistic multistation mp scenarios made by Furia, but now its several months he doesn't propose anything  |
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