Advices: If you have to dive your boat to ocean floor

Rosencrantz · Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 280

I have noticed many of us has find it difficult to dive the boat to the ocean floor and to stay there without major damages. Well, it can be done and here are my advices:

1. If you are in storm conditions, you HAVE to find water deep enough so the waves won't lift the boat up and hit it back to the bottom. So, maybe 60 meters + is needed for that if in the storm.

2. Get your boat close to the bottom step by step and while doing that, ping the depth if possible.

3. When you are ready, stop the engines and when your speed is 1 - 2 knots, give "Dive" order by hitting D key. DO NOT give a new depth order because this will cause your boat starting again going up and down = you hit the bottom several times. JUST hit the D key and everything should be go just OK.

4. Keep in mind you can't handle the boat just by dive order if you are in shallow waters because the waves will lift your boat no matter what you try to do for that. In RL you could take some more water in (into the saddle tanks, not in the boat!) but that's not possible in SHIII so the dive order is the only way you to "lock" your boat to the bottom.

-RC-

pyret · Joined: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 10

I dont see the meaning with putting yout boat in the bottom.
Does it give less response to pinging or what?
Nice guide anyway!

Dowly · Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:39 am Post subject:

I´ve tried several times to hide in the ocean floor, everytime it has resulted on 100% accuracy from the DD´s and I´ve been dead.

Rosencrantz · Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 280

Well, first of all: If you are a hardcore player maybe you have a rule of thumb that you NEVER, EVER stop your boat while submerged because in RL this would cause boat start to loose the depth control. That's why, if you want just to lay down, nice and peacefull, you have to drive to the bottom. (So no more "plotting" the targets course and after that just sitting there, speed 0, in PD, just waiting the target). So, that's the basic or main reason = In RL you can't keep your depth if your speed is 0.

So, in any case you want just lay and wait, you go to the bottom.

There is exeptions in sea conditions. Sometimes you can find the layer where there is cold, very heavy water under and warm, lightweight water on the top, and - if you can set your boat on top of the heavier water, it's possible to stop the engines and the heavy water will carry your boat. But, this is just an exeption and it's also hard to find these layers even they exist (thinking that germans didn't have a proper tool to measure water temperatures). Also to drive the boat on the layer would not be an easy task.

Hope you can get what I mean, even that my english is not that good.

Greetings,

-RC-

Keelbuster · Joined: 17 Oct 2005 Posts: 263 Location: TO, ON

For me, it's okay to stchopp while waiting for targets to move into the 90degree position. Sure - i sink by a few meters. Right before my attack, I put on 2kts and move back to PD. No probs.

kb

don1reed · Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 437 Location: Valhalla

Hi Rosencrantz Thumbs Up

You said:

Heibges · Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject:

I remember we debated this before SH3 came out. I believe the issue wasn't do much that they couldn't compute them, but that in a tactical sense, there wasn't much use for them.

The uboat operated on the surface the vast majority of the time. They needed to move at maximum speed to get into position to attack convoy.

When they dove, they dove deep. The area between PD and 150m is like the area between trenchlines in WWI, or the baseline and the serviceline in tennis: no man's land.

So if when you were forced to dive, you happened to have a thermal layer above you it was a bonus, but not something you would figure into your tactical plan.

EXCEPTION: In his memoirs, Dönitz tells a story about a uboat commander operating off Cape Town or Freetown in one of the areas where convoys formed up. He was operating in relatively shallow water, and used a Thermal Layer to sneak in, attack, and sneak out again.

humesdog · Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 73 Location: Boston, MA

What's the name of the mod that allows you to speed up tc when in shallow water? Does this work when you're on the bottom because I find when I go down to the floor I can only use 1X tc and its pretty boring down there.

Sailor Steve · Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:11 pm Post subject:

With the default game you should still be able to go to 32x on the sea floor.

SHIII Commander lets you set TC for any value you like.

So does editing your own CFG files. I forget which one, and as I can't post from home I can't tell you right now. I'm nowhere near my own computer.

Myxale · Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 92

From what i read, the resting your boot on the ocean ground was a common technique back then to wait in shallow water, or to rest if this was needed.

The CE had to keep the boot in the direct flow and had to flood mor or less, depending on the sea conditions.

Well...anyway :hmm:

BigBadVuk · Joined: 03 Jan 2006 Posts: 120

Well i was hit(rammed) in channel by nasty DD and as a result of heavy flooding in stern i hit the bottom(some 40m)....For the next 20-30 mins the DD was buzzing all around me and droped a LOT of DCs but none come near close to make any further dammage to my sub...Eventualy he left me on the bottom to fix my ship and return to port(i was returning anyway)....so i think there is some conections between sitting on the bottom and detection cappabilities of DD... :doh:

Torvald Von Mansee · Joined: 01 Apr 2006 Posts: 23 Location: CA45

BigBadVuk · Joined: 03 Jan 2006 Posts: 120

ha ha ha..nice point there...wanna move to Balkans? Rotfl

maybe??

Khayman · Joined: 20 Apr 2005 Posts: 94 Location: Scotland

Rosencrantz · Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Posts: 280

Hello, to all of you, folks!

don1reed wrote: