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Sea Demon
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TLAM Strike
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| This Ingsoc duckspeak is ungood... |
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Skybird
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Two words only: European Union. I increasingly react allergic to that. Maybe I should start to betray in my tax declaration. To think that part of my already limited money is wasted for such braindead nonsens makes me sick and ill. maybe doing so one day will not be considered a crime, but a heroic deed of civil disobedience. |
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Ducimus
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: When is Europe going to say..."ENOUGH!" |
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Controlling language, is a way to control thought. Or.. so ive been told.
One of the wonderful things about the US, for every zealous vocal group, there is a vocal counter group that response with equal zeal and ferver. Sounds unconstructive, but it sometimes keeps things in check. |
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Wildcat
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| Skybird wrote: | :dead:
Two words only: European Union. I increasingly react allergic to that. Maybe I should start to betray in my tax declaration. To think that part of my already limited money is wasted for such braindead nonsens makes me sick and ill. maybe doing so one day will not be considered a crime, but a heroic deed of civil disobedience. |
LOL! Great post, I agree wholeheartedly. I like Europe and all but the EU has really started screwing up with all the PC crap. |
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Torplexed
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This reminds me of that proposal in this country a few years back that teachers should correct their student's papers in a non-threatening blue or green ink instead of red.  I guess an "F" looks less devastating in a lime green. Sometimes you shouldn't soften the blow. If Muslims find the joint term 'Islamic terrorism' offensive they should be the ones fighting harder to get the two terms unconnected. :shifty: |
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DeepSix
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| Agreed. Funny thing to me about that article is the use of "lexicon." It's like the editor wanted a euphemism for "euphemism." Gimme a break. |
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Kapitan
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Every day in every day we get worse and worse.
I cant wait to leave england for another country i hear switzerland is nice. |
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The Avon Lady
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:58 am Post subject: Re: When is Europe going to say..."ENOUGH!" |
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| Sea Demon wrote: | | This is just incredible....... |
You must've missed this one from several days ago:
Dutch Think Tank: Netherlands Must Learn to Love Shari'a.
Kapitain, I can guarantee you that Switzerland will not be spared if everything continues in this direction. |
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Sea Demon
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Then there's this:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0%2C%2C13509-2133632%2C00.html
"Teenager killed his sister for living a Western life"......in Germany!! :nope:
| Quote: | | Only Ayhan, 19, was jailed after admitting that he wanted to “wipe the stain from our family”. |
This woman was killed by her own brother for essentially assimilating into the German culture at large. Her only crime was wearing blue jeans, going to school, rejecting forced marriage, and not wearing a head-scarf. Does that sound like something deserving death?!?!? |
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TteFAboB
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I remember when people still fell for it, when the PC movement was at its dawn, I remember the ignorant sympathy from the retarded, excuse me, mentally challenged, sorry, special-people, towards it. 
I'm glad times have changed, I'm glad only the retarded ignorant still don't see the threat, or defend it. |
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Skybird
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This thread turns into an intense source of constant discourgament.
Maybe the most prominent two masterminds behind the unification of europe and the allying of France and Germany were Helmut Schmidt and Valery Giscard d'Estaing (who are also close private friends). Both say that since the early 90s, or at the latest: the mid-90s, they see their efforts betrayed by politicial incompetence and bad course plotting into wring directions, so that they today see bigger chances for Europe again braking apart within the next 20 years, instead of a continuation of it'S current political agendas, that also turns it increasingly into an antidemocratic, centralized, bureaucratical dictatorship of some kind. Especially Schmidt is not just some unknown nobody in politics, he is a thinker with a razor-sharp mind and a very dry sense of - often bitter - humour.
The way Europe goes is one of the biggest items that I had to substantially, massively change my opinion on in recent years. The way it goes now, I hope the process fails. Failure is better than going to far in this current direction.
It all is very discouraging, and frustrating. Sometimes I do no more regret that I have no children of my own, as I once wished for, but I am glad for that. |
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Skybird
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| Sea Demon wrote: | Then there's this:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0%2C%2C13509-2133632%2C00.html
"Teenager killed his sister for living a Western life"......in Germany!! :nope:
| Quote: | | Only Ayhan, 19, was jailed after admitting that he wanted to “wipe the stain from our family”. |
This woman was killed by her own brother for essentially assimilating into the German culture at large. Her only crime was wearing blue jeans, going to school, rejecting forced marriage, and not wearing a head-scarf. Does that sound like something deserving death?!?!? |
Yes, back then I wrote about that. It was in berlin. They made a (representative!!!) poll amongst turkish juveniles at Berlin schools back then. I do not remember the exact numbers anymore, but the result was: the ammount of opinions in favour of this killing, saying that the woman deserved it, and the number of opinions not expressing explicit agreement, but silent tolerance, each of these groups was outnumbering the number of voices saying that it was wrong. this amongst male students. Amongst female students, both opinions were on somewhat equal level.
"Integration!", yeah yeah. Go on, bore me. |
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Abraham
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:29 am Post subject: Re: When is Europe going to say..."ENOUGH!" |
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This report, specificly targetted on the Dutch situation, came under immediate criticism not just from Ayaan Hirshi Ali, but from major political parties.
Our Foreign Minister Ben Bot (=Ben Blunt!) stated that the Dutch position towards the Islam and its problems needed no adjustment and that talks with Hezbollah and/or Hamas would only be possible if they were prepared to recognise Israel, existing treaties and would denounce violence.
Although I'm (also) critical about the report, it has to be seen in a Dutch perspective.
A recent study amoungst so-called 'Muslim' youth in Amsterdam found that 90% dit not visit a mosque and was not interested in studying the Quran. They consider their Muslim affiliation to be a social and cultural thing.
Especially young 'Muslim' girls are doing well at school and in jobs.
Muslim young men without a proper level of education and without jobs are prone to asocial and criminal behaviour, but it is seldom religion-related.
Devote Muslims - especially girls - do well in society and see their religion as a personal thing.
A neglectable minority of these fundamentalists can be considered extremists.
The study found that most young 'Muslims' want to have a job, make money, buy a car or start a business. The study predicts that out of these yongsters a middle class of young 'Muslims' is devellopping.
If this study is correct it shows that 'Muslims' are not one homogene group but that there are several deep divides amoungst then. I can imagine that 'Muslims' for whom Islam is not much more than a cultural thing and a social background are as sick of being confronted with "Muslim extremism" and with "Muslim violence" as with the generalisations these terms imply towards themselves.
I remember that at a national demonstration in Amsterdam against the famous cartoons, last februari - about 300 - 500 Muslim youth showed up, most of which started rioting and vandalising shops. The majority of young Muslims, while not condoning the cartoons, didn't care enough to show up. Some Muslim organisations even advised Muslims not to go because they feared that Muslim troublemakers would give the whole Muslim community a bad name. |
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STEED
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| The core of the problem in Europe is the E.U. Parliament it has been planning and implementing rules and regulations for years. They are the real threat they are slowly taking control, I suggest people of Europe wake up and read all about it. The very select few are controlling are lives we are loosing are rights and freedom. Political Correctness is only a small part of what is unfolding; it is going to get worst. |
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