View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
Kurushio
Joined: 25 Mar 2006 Posts: 14
|
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:29 am Post subject: How many kills would a Kilo be expected to make? |
|
|
...before it'd be destroyed? I'm not talking about the Russian's Kilo. The ones in Iranian and Chinese hands. And the theoretical opponent is the US Navy, obviously. So....how many? 1 kill for 1 Kilo or would the Kilo be expected to take out a whole flotilla before giving the game up? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Bill Nichols
Joined: 14 Mar 2001 Posts: 2657
|
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:38 am Post subject: |
|
|
I'll give the Kilo one attack, then all h*** will break out. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Kurushio
Joined: 25 Mar 2006 Posts: 14
|
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:51 am Post subject: |
|
|
Thanks for the quick reply Bill. So would that be considered a success or failure for the Kilo...cost effective wise? At what point would a Kilo be considered a "good investment"? If it took out a FFG then got destroyed...is that good for the Kilo? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Oberon
Joined: 07 Jul 2002 Posts: 1796 Location: Suffolk, UK
|
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:56 am Post subject: |
|
|
Depends on the scenario, a clever captain could position his boat in a way to avoid detection and then fire a slow running torpedo and clear the datum at best speed. It's harder to do in a diesel than in a nuc I'd say but probably still possible.
However, if this is in open water, then the Kilo's dead anyway, they're primarily coastal boats, they can hide in the shallows, come out...fire...then hide again, the sonar condictions in the shallows are a little bit tougher than open water I think, so it'd be slightly easier to hide, plus you could use natural landmarks like coves and inlets, places where a nuclear boat can't go. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
TLAM Strike
Joined: 30 Apr 2002 Posts: 4866 Location: Rochester, New York
|
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:19 am Post subject: |
|
|
Depends on whose commanding it. If I’m commanding trust me there going to be blood!
TLAM Strike: Mercenary Submarine Captain
But seriously a Kilo cost what 47,000,000 USD? While a FFG-7 costs only 16,000,000 USD. So nailing one FFG would not “pay for” the Kilo. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
compressioncut
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 238 Location: Canada
|
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:28 am Post subject: |
|
|
Iran's Kilos aren't really expected to kill anything. Just the fact that they were out, or rumored to be out, in a threatening posture would seal the Strait of Hormuz and strangle a huge amount of oil traffic out of the Persian/Arabian Gulf. That's their job.
Chinese Kilos would probably do something similar to the Malacca Strait, Spratly Islands, etc. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
GunnersMate
Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 225 Location: Boston, MA
|
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:05 am Post subject: |
|
|
If the Iranians can get their Kilo's out of port that is a positive for them! |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Bill Nichols
Joined: 14 Mar 2001 Posts: 2657
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
TLAM Strike
Joined: 30 Apr 2002 Posts: 4866 Location: Rochester, New York
|
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:07 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Is it just me or is there a big ass dent just under her forward planes? |
|
Back to top |
|
|
JSLTIGER
Joined: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 931 Location: Duke University, Durham, North Carolina USA
|
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
And here I was about to say that she looked like she was in pretty decent shape...looks like its just some rust though...maybe they've fallen into a little disrepair.
Iranian XO to CO:
"Captain, we're at 15 meters, passing crush depth!" |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Henson
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 35
|
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject: |
|
|
The Iranians?
Zero.
We know when their XO farts in his sleep. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Yskonyn
Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 43 Location: Netherlands
|
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:57 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Lol!
But nice that the thread started off with the assumption that the Kilo would be killed no matter what.
:know: |
|
Back to top |
|
|
SeaQueen
Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 358 Location: Washington, DC
|
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: How many kills would a Kilo be expected to make? |
|
|
Kurushio wrote: | ...before it'd be destroyed? I'm not talking about the Russian's Kilo. The ones in Iranian and Chinese hands. And the theoretical opponent is the US Navy, obviously. So....how many? 1 kill for 1 Kilo or would the Kilo be expected to take out a whole flotilla before giving the game up? |
All by itself, I'm with Bill. I give the Kilo one salvo before they throw the kitchen sink at 'em. Then he might still luck out, but it'd be luck, not anything special about the Kilo. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
Camie Jarlson
Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 6 Location: In the ASTAC station
|
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:53 pm Post subject: |
|
|
These Kilos are the only thing in Iran's arsenal that make me sweat. But I don't think they're nothing the USN couldn't handle. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
SeaQueen
Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 358 Location: Washington, DC
|
Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Kurushio wrote: | Thanks for the quick reply Bill. So would that be considered a success or failure for the Kilo...cost effective wise? At what point would a Kilo be considered a "good investment"? If it took out a FFG then got destroyed...is that good for the Kilo? |
In general, you always want to target the biggest, most expensive units, which have the biggest impact on the outcome of the war.
Taking out an FFG wouldn't be the ideal thing to do if all you had was a kilo. That'd be the kilo losing the battle.
If you were smart, you'd sit and wait, then go for a CVN or an LHA/D. If you sank one of those, it's be like another 9/11. Imagine 3-5000 Marines and sailors dead in one day. Failing that, the next best thing to go for would be logistics ships and small gators. If a kilo sank any of those, the kilo commander would probably be very happy.
This kind of marginal utility question really depends a lot on the tactics one might expect any of these nations might use. You'd probably best ask a Chinese or Iranian analyst for their thoughts on it. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
|