LuftWolf and Amizaur's Realism Mod--NEWLY UPDATED TO 3.02!!!

Dr.Sid · Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 205

Last time it happened to me. I ordered hello to hower via fly-to waypoint. It reported sub very closee, behind the helo. I orderer engage command from nav-map. Hello moved a little but stopped again, not changing altitude nor bearing.
I orderer fly-to, helo started to move. While moving, I ordered engage again, hello turned & dropped. Torpedo exploded.
I forgot torpedoes does not explode on CM and I ordered other dip. Helo updatet position of the sub (wreck), and without fly-to I ordered another engage, to be sure. Now torpedo started to move at high speed without changing depdth. It somehow started to turn quite wildly and crash soon after.

Maybe it was bacease of 'engage' command form nav-map, maybe bacause the sub was dead. Don't know.

LuftWolf · Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 1872 Location: Free New York

Yes, the engage command will sometimes override the autopilot, depending on where the target is in relation to the helo.

My advice is to use weapons from the Nav Map only if you have a Fly-To waypoint already headed in the direction of the target, this applies especially to using missiles... think of it as having to line the helo up so the IR seeker is facing the target, since the missile will malfunction if this is not the case when it is fired in many cases. The autopilot will do this sometimes, but not always. And I still say that you should ALWAYS drop torpedoes using a Torpedo Drop waypoint because then you know if the helo overflys the waypoint, that is where the torpedo will fall, and it won't conflict with any other autopilot instructions.

It really is not perfect... Jamie has said on this forum that the ASTAC interface and helo control in general needs some work. What we put on top of that depends a lot on a "best case" user imput at each step of the line (that is, not issueing duplicate commands, being aware of the helo position, etc...). When you combine that with the general tendency of all in-game helo's to crash and users who are unfamiliar with the constraints, then yes, there will be some crashes until people become more comfortable with it.

I promise, if you tell it to do one thing at a time, and don't tell it to do anything but Fly-To immediately after a dip (and nothing tries to shoot it down) it will only crash a mildly frustrating number of times (that is, 1 in x trials where x>0). Joking

Bubblehead Nuke · Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 41

Someone mentioned that the AI helo crashes a lot. I was wondering what was happening when I was playing against the AI OHP because the helo would get close and then just disappear on me.

At first I thought it was just bad tracking on my part till I was reviewing a mission and they just up and vanished on me. They were going in the drink.

I found a way to make it crash, at least for me, when I am playing that sneaking sub guy. I wait till I hear that oh so nice active dipping sonar and get it near detect values and shoot a torp (it will sometimes do it on a noisemaker) and poof, they go for a swim every time. It is like they are reacting to the noise transient and are in too big a hurry to get to you. They are TOO aggressive and are ignoring flight rules it seems.

I JUST reinstalled my entire OS and everything so I KNOW all I have is DW patched to 1.03 and the 3.02 LWAMI installed. Nothing else done to the game. I flip it back to stock and they do not crash with near the frequency.

Bellman · Joined: 14 Feb 2004 Posts: 1724

Just dived one of my MP missions (sub v sub) SP with LwAmi 3.02 and the AI was so good I thought I'd drifted into MP.

1. The AI subs were aggressive and had excellent avoidance.
2. The torps really bit and were harder work to avoid.
3. The ping rate increased.

As I have been diving 'stock' a lot lately this was a very pleasant surprise. Neutral

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Thanks to all. Rock

Dr.Sid · Joined: 17 May 2005 Posts: 205

Yeah .. even with rookie helo pilots, much better overall experience.

Tusipex · Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:56 pm Post subject:

Hi guys . Yesterday I played multiplayer (multistation) game with six people. And Seahawk sonar operator had some problems with marking contacts on active sonar. We all had LWAMI 3.0 Official installed.

Could anybody confirm that problem ?
I have experienced the same problem when playing single player mode with FFG before (LWAMI 3.0 official) .

I will do some more testing now in MP with Seahawk.

BTW . Great MOD , especially like the new Broadband Argh

Tusipex · Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:15 pm Post subject:

I have done some further testing . . . as co-pilot / dipping sonar operator. Multiplayer. On both : LWAMI 3.0 official version , and DW 1.03 .

On LWAMI :

The autopilot was terrible. Did not respond to commands.
Could not mark any contacts with active dipping sonar.

Patch 1.03 :

Slightly better working autopilot . . .
I managed to mark one contact. (which wasn't the closest one).
Even the contact appeared on the nav map , there was no message from the game, like : . . . . i have a new contact, bla bla bla . . .

Molon Labe · Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:58 pm Post subject:

Both of those sound like interface issues...

While it is possible that DB changes may have some effect on whether contacts can be marked, I think the mod being responsible is highly unlikely--combine this with the fact that both issues still occur without the mod, and, well.... you're in the wrong thread. :hmm:

Molon Labe · Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:59 pm Post subject:

Both of those sound like interface issues...

While it is possible that DB changes may have some effect on whether contacts can be marked, I think the mod being responsible is highly unlikely--combine this with the fact that both issues still occur without the mod, and, well.... you're in the wrong thread. :hmm:

LuftWolf · Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 1872 Location: Free New York

@Tusipex-- I suspect Molon is right here... you may have to try to finesse it a bit more, sometimes contacts are harder to mark then they should be, depending on your display and mouse.

GunnersMate · Joined: 17 Feb 2006 Posts: 225 Location: Boston, MA

Are the non-markable sonar traces fixed?

LuftWolf · Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 1872 Location: Free New York

LuftWolf · Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 1872 Location: Free New York

The good news is that I am becoming more and more convinced that the AI helo crashing issue IS in fact a problem that can be resolved using database parameters, that is, in the phsyics engine itself rather than the helo AI autopilot (so who knows, maybe these fixes will even correct the Countermeasure Autocrew crashing problem).

I'm going to do a lot of testing in the next few days, so I'll let you guys know. :know: Thumbs Up

Mau · Joined: 11 Jun 2005 Posts: 189

So what is that Countermeasure Autocrew crashing problem?

First time I'm hearing that one

OneShot · Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 704 Location: Germany

The Helo Countermeasures AC follows always the same pattern when evading, regardless of current speed and/or altitude.

That means : Down nose to gain speed and turn away from the thread while releasing CMs. If you are at 50ft and dipping this will put you in the drink in a heartbeat with no chance of stopping it fast enough.