[Sea Demon]

By the way, I did not mean to imply above I don't think the diesel/AIP boats are not good. In fact they are very impressive and can be Dangerous out in those Waters. I just believe that neutralizing them for a protracted conflict wouldn't be that difficult. Once you destroy their support infrastructure, their use as a weapon system is nullified.

Sea Demon

[Looney11]

You can talk all you want guys, but deep in your hearts you know that the Walrus-class of the RNLN is still the quietest and stealthy sub to sail the 7 seas.

Goodday to you al

[Furia]

Well this tread has moved a bit away from topic.
Surely anyone would feel their own navy subs are the quieter and better :know:

On my humble oppinion Germany have shown they have the skills, the knowledge and the capabilities to create revolutionary subs during the last century while rest of countries just followed trail.
Germans are quiet now about thir subs capabilities, I mean they are not making a big deal of them but with not much marketing around I would surely love to have the next 214 class.







Nuclear subs are very good for escorting Aircraft Carriers at 32 knots but maneuvering in shallow waters they are noise (cooling pumps must be on all the time).
For litoral or shallow waters, it is better a design that allow you radical movements and changes of depth.
A long submarine like Los Angeles Class must be very careful when using angles to change depth because its 360 feet lenght.
Not to mention the circulation water for the secondary cooling circuit that get contaminated with floating sand and mud more usual of shallow waters.
It does not mean it is a bad sub, surely among the finnest afloat but that it was designed with the Aircraft carrier escort role in mind and for hunting other subs in deep blue waters. Just an specific successful design.

Since most analyst do not foresee naval blokade against cargo ships in mid Atlantic or masibe attacks on Battle Groups while in fast transit in blue waters, you must also not disregard the potential effects of a specifically designed sub.

I feel that AIP subs would have a lot of weight on the future Naval encounters and I believe German Subs would be among the best (hehe note that I did not said "the best" )

[Mozzie]

Comparing diesel-electric and nuclear subs is like comparing fighter and bomber aircraft. One person could say that bombers are poor aircraft because they are not agile and lack acceleration, speed climb rate and so on. Someone else could fault fighters because they can't carry 40 tonnes of bombs 10,000km and back. Which is a better plane is not the right question to ask as it has no meaningful answer.

[Scion]

Thanks you Furia

214 over anything else that swims...

[OlegM]

Interesting Kilo got only 8% of votes. Back in SC days diesel fans were small but vocal group (as it often happens on web boards) so by the measure of their whining and campaigning you could have sworn adding a diesel sub would be the Next Best thing since sliced bread as they say.

Jamie IIRC said long ago they plan on adding drivable Kilo because (I quote from memory so these may not be the exact words) "drivable diesel, preferably Russian, is the most requested feature for the next game on the Subsim boards".

Now when you have drivable diesel, it seems it's not _really_ *that* interesting after all?!? Old drivable subs like Seawolf and Akula beat it by a very wide margin in this poll (688i isn't even offered as choice in this poll, I guess by mistake).

This goes to show how much gaming companies should care about vocal, but ultimately incosistent groups on various boards (this isn't personal remark).

BTW I voted for P3, and am really disappointed to see it got even less voted than Kilo \ But truth be told, no one even asked for P3 in SC days, so it's not an issue of being consistent :zzz:

O.

[Scion]

You cant count polls on forums as statistical surveys....


In the SC days, I was a big Akula driver... Now with DW I will almost certainly be a Kilo driver....

Its a question of whats available for me....

Also, the only way to tell will be to look at the DW sales :know:

[MBot]

I vote for the 688(I). I like the cold war era subs much more than the "ultra most modern best there is"-stuff. Well, actualy the Akula is my real favourite sub but I drive it seldom in SC because I don't like its station design. I guess because of this I also wont drive the Kilo that much...

From the new drivables in DW I am looking most forward to the OHP. It seems to be the most complex unit we will get and I can't wait learning to master it.