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Deamon
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| Sailor Steve wrote: | Fubar's got a good idea-Rockwell Torry's mods are pretty cool. I had a few complaints about some of the scenarios-the victory conditions aren't always historical, and some of the locations are off. That said, I've had some fun playing them.
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Will later give it a try.
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Daemon, I don't know if I'd call myself knowledgeable; I've just collected a lot of books over the last few years, so I have a lot of places I can look stuff up.  On the other hand, I can tell you off the top of my head when British and German predreadnoughts got radios and rangefinders,
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Oh realy ? and when did they get this stuff ?
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I lack good WWI technical data books.Maybe you can help me out if i have questions from time to time ?
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Sailor Steve
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Deamon wrote: | | Oh realy ? and when did they get this stuff ? |
All pre-war. The Germans started outfitting the bigger ships with Marconi wireless telegraphy apparatus in 1900; the British in 1901.
The Germans were mounting single-lens rangefinders in 1902; the British King Edward VII class were the first ships commissioned with stereoscopic (split-lens) rangefinders in 1905.
The first mechanical gun directors were mounted by the British in 1912. The first was mounted on a cruiser (I don't remember which one offhand), the second on the battleship HMS Thunderer. The Germans never had a real director during the war, in which the guns go where the Fire Control Officer tells them to, but they did have better rangefinders, so overall their shooting was at least as good as the British; maybe better judging from some of the results.
| Daemon wrote: | | I lack good WWI technical data books.Maybe you can help me out if i have questions from time to time ? |
I'll be glad to help any way I can-just say the word. |
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turnerg
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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If you need some u-boat technical specs, i've found two nifty books that I often use.
They are bothe part of a series, so one is like all the ships of the world, and the other is all the submarines. they have white covers and are nearly pocket sized. each has nearly every class of sub from the major countries of the world for pre ww1, ww1, ww2, cold war, and modern. they all have pictures for each entry, and all the technical specs i could ever need. i'll repost later if i got the names wrong, you see im at school right now :know:
They might be of use to you, and theyre not very expensive, ie under $10 |
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turnerg
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 1:23 am Post subject: |
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Oops, gave you the wrong title. oh well
They are:
The Illustrated Dictionary of Warships from 1860 to the present day
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The Illustrated Dictionary of Submarines
author is David Miller. Each is chock full of stuff! |
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Deamon
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Sailor Steve wrote: | | Daemon wrote: | | I lack good WWI technical data books.Maybe you can help me out if i have questions from time to time ? |
I'll be glad to help any way I can-just say the word. |
Thank you very mutch and thanks for the info.I surly will have questions from time to time.The first would be have you any plans of WWI ships/subs ?
@turnerg
Thanks for your tip
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Sailor Steve
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| Deamon wrote: | | Thank you very mutch and thanks for the info.I surly will have questions from time to time.The first would be have you any plans of WWI ships/subs ? |
I have internal detail plans for several types of warships, ranging from general to quite specific (Robert's The Battleship Dreadnought has so much detail you could build a complete cutaway model from it). I do have one interior drawing of a U-boat (Cruiser submarine U-139 of 1918 {from Bagnasco's Submarines of World War Two}). The book also has stats (displacements, surfaced and submerged speeds, ranges, torpedo loads) for several WWI boats.
What I don't have currently is a scanner, so until I can get one I can't post or send the drawings. I can give descriptions, if that helps at all. |
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Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:48 am Post subject: |
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D... those are great looking shots.
Indeed, just to board 'er and take 'er out on a shakedown cruise would be a thrill in itself...
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Deamon
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| Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Mike,you here !?  I need to mark this day where Mike Hense did posted first time on this forum
yours Deamon |
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Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense
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LOL... of course not... i visit this forum on a regular basis...
... and I've even posted once... or twice 
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Deamon
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| Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense wrote: | ... and I've even posted once... or twice
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Oh realy,i must have missed that somehow  .At least i cannot remmember.But there is mutch what i cannot remember now 
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CB..
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| wow!! am i right in assuming that the brits tried mounting huge deckguns on their subs (calling them cruisers) the M1? and the tactics were to surface near enemy shipping and pound away with the deck gun rather than concentrate on torpedo attacks...sort of a stealth mini battleship ambush approach that sure sounds an intrigueing idea .. |
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Deamon
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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| CB.. wrote: | | wow!! am i right in assuming that the brits tried mounting huge deckguns on their subs (calling them cruisers) the M1? and the tactics were to surface near enemy shipping and pound away with the deck gun rather than concentrate on torpedo attacks...sort of a stealth mini battleship ambush approach that sure sounds an intrigueing idea .. |
How do you come on that ?
Well France did it 1929 as well,they build the U-Cruiser Surcouf with a 20,3 mm twin gun turret.The Germans planed to build U-Cruisers too,with 4 155mm guns and armour that protects the U-Cruiser from 155mm shells from 4000 meters away and steam turbine engine that give the U-Cruiser a speed of 25 knots.I planed previously to include this type but unfortunately couldn't get the plans.Would allow quite funny missions,just surface in front of the convoy and mess up the escorts 
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CB..
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got it from the book "submarines of world war two"
by ermino bagnasco
it has a lengthy chapter on WW1 subs
with some detailed side views of the brit monitor class subs
with a 12 inch deck gun..heres allso a fairly detailed account on tactics and even some detailed sketches of the famous german sinking of the Aboukir Hogue and Cressy by U9 in sept 1914
i can try and scan them for yu if yu need them?
hers a snippet of what the book says about the brit monitor class, very interesting ... 
"The monitor submarines of the British M Class were designed in 1917
for the purpose of surprise attack, using their single 12 inch (305mm) gun. The gun, which came from old battleships, could be elevated ,but not traversed. Aiming was achieved through the periscope ( ), and to fire the gun, the boat was surfaced sufficiently to raise the muzzle clear of the water"
heres a really intrigueing excerpt about the brit type R
"the R class killer submarines represented a true innovation. Their design was prompted by the fact that a significant number of German boats had been destroyed by normal submarines. Twelve of the class had been completed in 1918. Having a single screw their surface power of 240hp was decidedly inferior to their submerged power (1,200hp  ) which was achieved by a large number of storage batteries and a powerfull electric motor. Consequently, their maximum surface speed was only 9 knots, but submerged. they reached 15 knots (!!!!!), which was exceptional for the time (theyre not kidding ) their hull shape was designed for high speed . They were fitted with six 18inch (457mm) torpedo tubes , all disposed forward (starting to sound mighty familiar)
Their role was to lie in ambush at periscope depth until a surfaced boat was sighted, when entire salvoes of torpedoes would be launched in a series of lightning close-range attacks. Despite their late entry into service, the R class achieved several succeses against German boats. However, these remarkable submarines were very clumsy on the surface, and they were quickly abandoned after the war" |
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Deamon
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| CB.. wrote: | ...here's allso a fairly detailed account on tactics
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That would interest me.
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and even some detailed sketches of the famous german sinking of the Aboukir Hogue and Cressy by U9 in sept 1914
i can try and scan them for yu if yu need them?
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Sketches ? Isn't it just one sketch ? I have a very good old book about the german navy in WWI and many battle sketches in them and also the sketch of the sinking of this three cruisers.
And thanks for the info.I know the R typ submarine,quite impressive submerged speed.
Cheers
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CB..
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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the fascinating thing for me after re reading the chapter in the book dealing with WW1 submarine warfare, is that sub versus sub combat was a common factor in the war, which in terms of a simulation offers up a whole extra dimension ... allmost a cold war scenario with subs poking around each other trying to gain the upper hand...genuine sub against sub combat (not really viable/realistic in a ww2 sub sim?)
sounds like yu allready have the sketch of the cressy sinking..
gotta love the idea of the M1 tho...aiming that 12 inch gun whilst submerged then coming to decks awash to fire the thing and diving again
allmost as much atmosphere available as a torpedo launch...unfortunately i dont think they ever actually fired the thing in anger..and it didnt play an active part in the war..fascinating tho...
the R1 makes yu wonder what went wrong if a sub that advanced was constructed and brought into service in WW1 ..why it took till the last few months of WW2 for anything even remotely as adavnced to come into service again.....sounds to me if they had a few stolen R1's with WW2 batteries and motors the german u-boat force would have ruled the waves.. sometimes it really makes yu wonder quite what was going on.. |
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