[TLAM Strike]

You should have installed SCX with SC V1.8.

[XabbaRus]

Yea I have notice enemy subs never seem to fire any kind of snap shot any more.

Thomas, any comments?

[Stewy]

I get enemy snapshots all the time (that is, with US boats, haven't tried others)

Usually, he'll pop a few CMs and then let off a fish or two as well...

[Gator]

[Pigfish]

Hmm. Just noticed that the Iowa class BB max speed is set at 5 knots. :huh:

[Pirate]

[raymond6751]

Thanks to Ramius.

I switched to Victoria as suggested, and now I can command an Upholder sub. Many thanks.

I won't ask why that worked.

[Ramius]

There are 2 sets of Upholders in SCX IIc with SCU.

The UPHOLDER - as a UK unit before being sold/rented to the Canadians

and

The VICTORIA - as a CAN unit.


So if you want to play as a Canadian Upholder, you have to select the Victoria as playable via SCU


Ramius

[Gator]

AI subs do not seem to react to active pinging at all. Is this the intended behavior ?

The peacetime detection kinda loses sense because of this. Would be nice to have the AI subs trying to break contact when it's obvious they were discovered.

Also, the active sonar does not detect many subs at all even at point blank range. It seems the value of 75 for the active return factor is "magical" - if I set it to below 75 the active sonar does not detect at all - at 75 it starts detecting. Do others observe the same ?

[Gator]

Hmm, AI subs seem to be able to launch Subrocs pretty well.

One thing I noticed that is weird - the speed of the W55 depth charge is set to 200 with the min depth of -450. I set up a mission with the Mike going at -1000m. Guess what - the depth charge traveled underwater at 200 and actually got to the Mike. Now, unless the thing is rocket propelled and is in a caviation bubble that is kinda strange.

[Savages_Wolf]

What ever happend to the Tug? I thought that was going to be in SCXIIc

Wolfy

[Gator]

Still having problems with player-launched SUBROCs and SS-N-16/27.
The AI subs seem to launch them just fine. Very annoying - tried a lot of tweaks, nothing helps.

Some comments about the DB:

1. The speeds of the SS-N-16 and SS-N-27 are well over 500knots (1100 and 1675), while this probably corresponds to the real life data, the current SC simulation engine cannot properly calculate the payload drop time for such fast objects. The SS-N-16 and SS-N-27 routinely crash into water before dropping their torps and just disappear. Lowering the speed to 650 helps this problem. For slower SUBROCs the reverse is true - the torp is dropped too high and it "falls" from 1-2km altitude at its underwater speed. Probably the condition for dropping the torp can take into account the altitude (SUBROC doctrine file).

2. The mission priorities for the SS-N-16 have SUW at 2 and ASW at 1 - clearly should be SUW at 0 and ASW at 1 or 2.

3. The turn radius for many SSBNs is almost twice that of SSNs (1200 vs 750). The SSBNs (at least Soviet ones, also SSNs) are equipped with auxiliary turning mini-screws which help them cut the turning radius by quite a bit at low speeds. Not sure if this would make a lot of impact at higher speeds. I suspect the same feature is on the US subs.

4. The Alfa SSN was able to "turn on a dime" according to its Captains, also they note "jet-like acceleration" - the full speed could be reached within a minute - due to the peculiarities of the liquid-metal nuclear power plant. The turn radius of the Alfa is 750 - the same as that of larger boats, probably could be reduced to 650 or so.

5. Reloading times on Soviet subs. I raised this issue quite some time ago. The modern Soviet subs (actually beginning from Alfa) have very high degree of automation (evidenced by smaller crews - e.g. 73 on Akula vs ~141 on 688i). One of the procedures which is automated is reloading. I investigated the issue at the forum at http://submarine.id.ru . One of the submarine veterans responded saying the reloading takes about 5min and only requires pushing a couple of buttons. Now the SC database has 1000secs for reloading of the tubes on the Soviet subs. 5min would be 300secs. Alfa, Akula, Delta IV, Sierra II, Typhoon all have automatic reloading. Not sure about others.

[Thomasew]

Hi

[Thomasew]

Gator


I come back after a few days away, ... and the forum is just littered with all your theories ... again.

Please do not try and equate 'real world' data, with what you see in the database ... 'cause it don't work.

Also, .. what database are you actually talking about?, ... because you refer to things that exist in different databases.

e.g. "2. The mission priorities for the SS-N-16 have SUW at 2 and ASW at 1 - clearly should be SUW at 0 and ASW at 1 or 2.
"

The data you refer to, is from the Sub Command default database .... not SCX ... :nope: SCX HAS the correct values

Reloading -- If you did any testing with any database ... you would see that reloading times ... don't work correctly. Bug in SC.


What's the purpose in all the long quotes out of all your 'new' books. .. ??


... I do believe you know how to read ...


Cheers
Tom

[Gator]

Damn, I had two DBs open sometimes - am I so much worked up about this that I mix them up ?
Of course I meant the SCXIIc DB - the latest.

Reading the book on tactics drove me to this madness: are the data in the latest DB consistent with those, are they consistent relative to each other, why is the active sonar useless , why do the subs ignore active pinging ? etc ad nauseum.

And every time I ask a question I have to have a quote "to set the context" - professional habit.