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mog
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| I think the market for a US sim is really only in the US, and even then only a small niche of that. The Pacific really doesn't have the same allure that the Battle of the Atlantic has. |
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Seeadler
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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If the dev's create an open/flexible mission and 3D engine design, a pacific- indic- artic- or modern sub warfare scenario based on this game engine is possible as an addon directly from Ubi or from a mod team.
Look at Battlefield 1942, basically created as a WWII game but today we have several full conversion mods based on WWII, Vietnam conflict, modern warfare represented by Desert Combat, Silent Heroes, SIFI combat with StarWars: Galactic Conquest, Homefront and in the near future a WWI mod Battelfield 1918. All these mods have the original equipment from the battles and this is only possible because of the relative open game engine design. |
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HERR VADER
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Forgotten Hope is a great bf42 mod with nice ships |
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Torgen
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:22 am Post subject: :( |
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When I got my SubSim email update about SHIII, I thought "hot damn!"
Then I saw that it was German Uboat again. I can't express the depths of my disappointment. :nope:
Like scrapper, I also passed on SHII because of the scripted missions. I had Silent Service I on the Apple and Silent Service II and Silent Hunter I on the PC. I loved nothing more than going on patrol in my leaky old S boat out of Manila, trying to get to the Japanese invasion point and getting my licks in, or plotting where Shokaku would be after Coral Sea and trying to intercept her. I remember surfacing at night in the middle of a Japanese battleship group in the middle of the Surgao (sp) Straits, and it was so dark that they didn't see me until a Mogami damned near ran me over.
I'm just really really depressed. I find no fun in playing a U boat campaign where you have little to no chance of surviving.
-Torgen
To end this post on an upbeat note. go to www.ratpatrolradio.com and check out the post "Churchill's Parrot"  |
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Leif...
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Nah, I want it to be a German Uboat simulator. Atlantic war equals great scenarios.
No change there please.
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Henric Edwards
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Both campaigns are well worth simulating so I wouldn't mind a Pacific add-on when/if it's clear that Silent Hunter III has done well. Until that I hope the devs will focus on the upcoming title and make it as good (dynamic campaign) as they can. |
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scrapser
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:54 pm Post subject: Atlantic vs. Pacific |
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Just curious about something. One of the excitements in the Pacific is the chance to run into a carrier group. I must admit my knowledge of the Atlantic during this time is not extensive but I really don't remember hearing of any great carrier battles in the Atlantic during WWII. I assumed this was because the European War was mostly a ground war where the Pacific was more islands and ocean if you know what I mean. Therefore, carriers were focused in the Pacific.
In the Atlantic, there were the wolfpacks hunting the convoys and being hunted in return by destroyers and land based ASW aircraft and that was about it (maybe I'm wrong). So, historically speaking, it seems to me the real action was in the Pacific in terms of hitting some flat tops and BB's. The Bismarck had a very short life and the other major big guns were all sunk hiding close to land.
What is the excitement in the Atlantic? Sinking merchant ships and DD's? In the Pacific, I would always pass them up for a chance at a heavy cruiser or bigger. Once in a while, I would run into a big fat convoy with very light defenses and take them out. Just curious.
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Corto
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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sorry, but a Pacific Szenario is very boring from my point of view.
what is special in this scenario?
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tokmarkOL
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it's OK for me when the main game will be run PERFECT! Then this will be an add on beside the original scenario. |
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Torgen
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Corto wrote: | sorry, but a Pacific Szenario is very boring from my point of view.
what is special in this scenario?
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Something besides the regular DD/DE/FG dance. Stalking a heavy cruiser, battleship or flat top. Lying in wait in the Sunda Straights for an invasion force. Edging into Tokyo Bay for recon or pilot rescue and trying to evade DDs with only 100m under your keel. The hot breezy nights on Diamondhead, a drink in your hand and the sand between your toes as the girl you picked up in Waikiki rests her head on your shoulder, looking at the moon reflecting off the Pacific... er... scratch that last one.  |
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Neal Stevens
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Corto wrote: | sorry, but a Pacific Szenario is very boring from my point of view.
what is special in this scenario?
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Well, for one thing you had a decent chance to survive the mission. You got to play with faulty torpedoes. You get to imagine yourself as a great submarine warrior such as Dealy, Morton, O'Kane, and Kossler. You get plenty of shots at major warships. You are fighting for democracy. You get to have an advantage over the enemy such as radar. You can skipper such great subs such as Cavalla, Bowfin, Trigger, and Flasher.
Now, don't tell me the only kind of sub war that interests you is your home country? I thought only Americans were that self-centered :huh:
 no hard feelings
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Torgen
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| Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Of course, I want to have reason to keep my original two volume set of "Silent Victory" on the computer desk! Nothing like going on a free form dynamic patrol (hint hint) and going "Hmm, May 12th, 1943. Let's see... Ah! Here we go! Shokaku and Ryuho are heading down to strike at the oilfields in Balikipan. I should be able to intercept them.... here!
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Overkill
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The Pacific really doesn't have the same allure that the Battle of the Atlantic has. |
| Quote: | sorry, but a Pacific Szenario is very boring from my point of view.
what is special in this scenario?
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You guys think the Japanese made it easy on the US, British and Dutch submarines operating in the Pacific? Those subs were face'n shore batteries while passing through narrow straits, constant anti-subarine air patrols, mines, hunter-killer groups, patol boats, Japanese submarines, etc. etc. Kind'a sounds like what the Germans had to face in the Atlantic don't it (except the Japanese subs, swap them with British submarines  )? :wink:
If you don't like the play'n a US sub skipper then maybe they can also add the British and Dutch into the game. I'd really like to play either one of them and see what they did to contribute to the war effort in the Pacific. I'd also like to play a Russian dynamic campain in the North Sea to see what their submariners experienced against the Germans and the harsh enviroment. Even though the Japanese Navy did not use it's submarine force "effectively" it would be interesting to play a dynamic campain from their point of view also. (HINT HINT HINT) :wink: |
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Leif...
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 6:03 am Post subject: |
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Since I’m not risking my life for real I like to have the odds against me, hence I like to play on the German side. If I succeed my victory is greater as a failure is expected. If I play for the Allies, my failure is greater since a victory is expected.
So the fact that SH3 are a uboat simulator is good news, if it where an Allied subsimulator then that would be almost as nice, almost.
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Seeadler
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2004 6:27 am Post subject: |
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Folks, let the developers make once a U-Boat sim and this time correctly playable and not again a halfrefine cucumber in such way such as SHII. 
If this time at the end the game engine works correctly as we like, it is an easier way to do a pacific, indic, mediterranean or what ever scenario as an addon like the med addon for AoD or as a seperate product. But if the developers now open to many working pipelines within this project, we all know from SHII what we get with the release.  |
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