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The Avon Lady
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| Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense wrote: | | Quote: | As I said in the very first sentence of this thread:
"There have been a number of recent relevant stories and documentation regarding the existance or not of Iraq's WMDs." |
yes... the media is repleat with em... just as the media is full of stories of Bigfoot sightings, UFO sightings... Close Encounters...
only an irrational mentality would use these as a basis for any arguement...
and miss philips is a journalist... not an authority on any military weaponry, iraq, or the geopolitical nature of the hussien regime...
again, only an irrational mentality would use anything as a sound basis for any arguement on this topic...
your ability to operate in a contimuum that ignores fact is absoulutely amazing... |
There are no facts in your previous post.
 Surprise!
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Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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one big, obvious fact... one that seems to illude your obscurred vision...
no WMDs have been confiscated by the US military or any other allied forces as todays date
none... zero... ziltch... nada...
--Mike |
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CCIP
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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:zzz:
Wake me up when they find some actual weapons.
Speculation-speculation. And the fact remains that, no matter how you want to slice it, Iraq was not invaded because of WMD concerns or immediate security threats, but for political reasons.
Shock and awe! - a war for political reasons! What else is new? :hmm: |
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The Avon Lady
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense wrote: | one big, obvious fact... one that seems to illude your obscurred vision...
no WMDs have been confiscated by the US military or any other allied forces as todays date
none... zero... ziltch... nada...
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Let's ignore the missiles that were indeed found.
If Saddam had planned to move all banned weapons systems out of the country and had maybe over a decade to do so, do you think that he could have succeeded, in your opinion? |
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The Avon Lady
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| CCIP wrote: | | Iraq was not invaded because of WMD concerns or immediate security threats, but for political reasons. |
Which are? |
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CCIP
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| The Avon Lady wrote: | | CCIP wrote: | | Iraq was not invaded because of WMD concerns or immediate security threats, but for political reasons. |
Which are? |
There's a lot of ways of putting it. Washington seems to like the title "regime change".
I think it's fairly obvious that the US is pursuing a certain agenda towards the Middle East; and tossing aside whatever ideological slants I might have - there's really nothing unusual or neccesarily wrong with that.
My view of this whole thing has really been as more or less an excuse rather than a real reason. Frankly, in realpolitik terms, the long-term benefits of a more "US-friendly" arab world almost certainly outweigh the risks of a chemical attack in the United States. Not that anyone in Washington (who wants to keep their post) would be willing to admit that. :hmm: |
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The Avon Lady
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| CCIP wrote: | | The Avon Lady wrote: | | CCIP wrote: | | Iraq was not invaded because of WMD concerns or immediate security threats, but for political reasons. |
Which are? |
There's a lot of ways of putting it. Washington seems to like the title "regime change". |
And why was that?
| Quote: | | I think it's fairly obvious that the US is pursuing a certain agenda towards the Middle East; and tossing aside whatever ideological slants I might have - there's really nothing unusual or neccesarily wrong with that. |
The fact that there is an agenda does not mean that the war was started to implement that agenda but rather that the agenda was considered possible once the US went to war.
In any case, I think the agenda is terribly flawed. |
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CCIP
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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I guess the question I should ask is "was Saddam's Iraq a real threat to US security?"
Personally, I never really saw it that way. Probably not more than Saudi Arabia (a fertile breeding ground for extremists a-la Bin Laden), and certainly less than Iraq as it is now.
As far as the WMDs though, to me the US administration's backpedalling on their original claims has been a good indicator.
Again, it's not that it'd shock me if Saddam had WMDs (he had them in the 80's); I'd just like to see an actual WMD (not a delivery system or raw-and-needing-a-lot-of-processing materials) before coming to a conclusion. |
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Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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you can talk and talk and talk to her... and present her with the all the facts as they stand today... but you'd be wasting your time...
she obviously isn't interested in facts at all...
--Mike |
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The Avon Lady
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I like your new sig, Mike.  |
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The Avon Lady
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HM.Medico
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| Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 2:07 am Post subject: |
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It's really quite simple, Sadam slept with Satan (like in the southpark movie) and there all in hell  |
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