[Palindromeria]

Just thought a few of you might like to have this handy.
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Basic NOTES for NONPLAYABLE SUBS in Dangerous Waters.
Compiled by Palindromeria@aol.com

all info is from the in game usni reference - some info is simply not in the game ref and i dont feel like pulling out janes or subs of the world by motorbooks.com right now.

speed,tons,and depth are usually all max submerged
tube /wep loadout/ wep info for the "other" nations weps.

**NOTE** - look for **NOTES** ;0

hope it helps,
dave

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Argentina- TR-1700 SS -25kts / 300 m / 2350 tons
6 bow tubes / 22 sst4-mod1 torps (psv only 34kts max / 6nm max **primarily asuw)
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Australia - COLLINS SS - 21 kts / maxdepth unk/ 3350 tons
6 fwd tubes - 23 total harpoons asuw(70mi rng) / mk 48 adcap
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Brazil - TYPE 209/1400 mod 3 SS -
21.5kts ; "diving depth" 250m ;1590 tons
8 bow tubes - 16 tigerfish mk 24mod1 (maxspd 35 kts 16/22nm range)
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China -
2 KILO (EK) ss hulls / 2 IMPROVED KILO (EK) SS hull /
**NOTE** 1 KLUB EQUIPPED IMPROVED KILO SS (#368)

HAN SSN - 25kts - 300m - 4500-5500 tons
6 fwd tubes - YINJ JI/c801 asuw missiles 42 mi rng ;
YU3 asw torp 4 mi rng 23 kts act/psv 1800 maxdpth ;
YU4 asuw torps 5.4 nm rng 35 kts act/psv 1200 mxdpth ;
Mines

SONG SS - 22 kts maxdepth unk - 2250 tons
6 tubes - loadout - SEE HAN

MING SS - 18kts / maxdepth unk - 2113 tons
6 fwd + 2aft tubes 16 unk torps OR 28 mines

XIA SSBN - 22kts /300m maxdepth /7000 tons
6 fwd tubes 12 Ju Lang cssn3 missiles (not listed in usni ref ?? )
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France - AMETHYSTE SSN ; 23.5 - 26.5 kts / maxdpth > 300m / 2680 tons
4 fwd tubes - 32 fg29 mines OR
total 14 reloads -
f17mod2 dual purpose torp (18 km / 40kts )
Exocet SM 39 missile (50mi)
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Germany - Type 206 SS - 520 tons / 17 kts / maxdepth unk
6 fwd torps - DM2a3(not listed) or DM2a4 asw/asuw ( 35 kts 20km )
OR ? triton missiles(not listed) OR 24 mines?
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India -
***NOTE *** 10 kilo hull #'s in all
*5 SS KILOS(EKM)
*4 KLUB EQUIPPED KILO SS(EKM) (s 57,58,59,60)

*all indian kilos carry the EKM designation and are purported to be *slightly quieter than russian and chinese counterparts.

*1 KLUB EQUIPPED IMPROVED KILO SS EKM (s 65 )
*purported to be even quieter in game than other INDIAN kilos.

FOXTROT SS - 18 kts max / maxdepth UNK
6 bow tubes plus 4 aft tubes
22 UNK torps OR 32 UNK mines
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Iran - KILO SS **EKM**
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Japan HARUSHIO SS - max 22 KTS ; 2750 tons ; maxdepth unk
6 fwd tubes
total of 20 weps - type 89 (30 km/70 kts!) and harpoon missiles.
*note type 89 listed as "equivalent to mk48" presume asuw/asw act/psv
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North Korea - YUGO SSM minisub - 4kts - (10 tons)
2 type 40 torps (65kts/ 13 km *****is better known as the payload torp for the ssn27 missile!!) no reloads

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Pakistan
AGOSTA SS - 20.5 kts /1230 tons /depth unk
4 fwd tubes - total of 20
f17mod2 dual purpose torp (18 km / 40kts) / Exocet SM 39 missile (50mi)

DAPHNE ss - 16kts / 300m / 1032 tons
8 fwd + 4 aft tubes - No Reloads
e 15 torps( 25 kts / 12 km passive *ASUW*) plus harpoon missiles
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RUSSIA - various AKULA's and KILOS

DELTA IV SSBN - 15,500 tns /24 kts/ 450 m
16 r29 ssn23 skiff ballistic missiles
4 BOW TUBES W 12 unknown"TORPEDOS" AND/OR SSN15 STARFISH

OSCAR II SSGN - 31 kts /500m /19200 tons
24 ssn19 strike missiles plus
4 bow and 4 aft with 24 various torps and missiles.

TYPHOON SSBN - 33,800 tons /25 kts /400 m
***NOTE*** - TK 20 has 20 r39SSN20 STURGEON Ballistic missiles
***NOTE*** - TK 208 has 20 BULAVA Ballistic missiles
ALL - 6 fwd tubes with 22 various torps and missiles

VICTOR III SSN - 31 kts / 600m / 7200 tons
6 tubes w/ 24 various torps and missiles.
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TAIWAN - HAI LUNG SSK 2650 TONS / 20 KTS/ 240M ("OPERATIONAL")
6 TUBES 28 SUT wireguide torps (asw/asuw /34 kts / 12 km)
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UK - TRAFALGAR SSN - 5200 tons/ 30 kts/ 300m opdepth / 590m maxdepth
5 tubes -
25 total of HARPOON missiles,
spearfish heavyweight torp 55 - 75 kts / 40km / 900m opdepth !
tigerfish torps( mod 2 ? ), (maxspd 35 kts 16/22nm range)
***NOTE*** - all trafalgars have been assigned TLAMS
***NOTE***- s 87 , 93, 109 have Tomahawk LAM in lieu of some torps
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USA -
Seawolf, LA688 and
LA688i (***NOTE*** ssn756 and on are listed as mine capable)

OHIO SSBN - 18750 tons, 25 kts , 300m
24 TRIDENT D5 Ballistic mIssiles
(***NOTE*** SSBN 726-731 carry TRIDENT C4)
4 Bow tubes unk # of MK 48 torps.
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[OneShot]

Would you mind posting this helpful stuff over at the CADC ?


Cheers
OS

[Kapitan]

[Bellman]

Thanks P !

[Palindromeria]

Kapitan -
i neither forgot nor am i wrong about anything.
since
ALL the info is nearly verbatim from the IN GAME reference. any discrepancies with realistic tonnages or other realistic data vs IN GAME data , can be taken up with directly with the board members of scs on their private cellphones. i hear they are convening a conference call for this very purpose as these tonnage discrepancies are really the cause of every other problem in the game.

it doesnt matter if a sub goes to 600m in reality if it crushes at 500 in the game.

i specifically avoided re-listing info on the russian weps as there is already a wealth of it out there and well, you get to use most of those weps so you should already have a clue. and since i made this for myself frankly i didnt see the need to relist every russian wep .

the delta specifically did not list any torpedo types. so what are they actually carrying in the game ? i dunno - have to use em a bit with show truth on.

thanks for making me explain far more than should have been necessary and reminding why i shouldnt have done anything beyond keeping this info on my desktop.
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oneshot -

please feel free to copy / paste it over there -
im glad you find it useful and understand its purpose.

dave

[LuftWolf]

The best bet is to take info like this directly from the database.

The USNI Reference frequently contradicts itself, third-party sources, and the database.

I don't use it at all for anything, as I stopped trusting the information (I just have to look it up in the database or globalsecurity/fas.org anyway).