Missions designed for 1.03 - LWAMI?

Sea Demon · Joined: 28 Mar 2004 Posts: 970 Location: USA

I have two missions basically finished and in testing. I designed these in DW stock with 1.03 patch. I'm assuming most people here have LWAMI. Will my missions be playable in LWAMI if I made them without LWAMI? I want to get this right before I send them over to the Subguru.

Bellman · Joined: 14 Feb 2004 Posts: 1724

They will be playable but will platforms perform as you had intended is more the question.

Why not run the Stock mission in LwAmi and test if unit sensor and weapon performance gives you what you
want to achieve. Then adjust ranges, platform separation etc. But it is unlikely that you will achieve mutual playability
of Stock and LwAmi from one mission. Better to modify the Stocks into extra LwAmi specific missions.

Sea Demon · Joined: 28 Mar 2004 Posts: 970 Location: USA

OK. Thanks for your advice, Bellman. I'll do that. The ranges that the platforms are deployed may need changing depending on sonar conditions. Looks like I may have another week of testing with LWAMI to see if it these 2 missions are playable. I'll be releasing these two missions next week.

Thanks again.

Molon Labe · Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:59 pm Post subject:

I can think of four ways that the balance might change going from stock to LW/Ami

1. AEGIS ships are effective counterunits to missile attack
2. SS-N-27 ASM more effective (could be a problem if there are no AEGIS ships to counterbalance)
3. AI air platforms are much more effective in prosecuting contacts
4. AI surface platforms will use ASROCs effectively (especially Udaloys) and are a serious threat to subs.

There may be a few others, but for the most part I don't think there's much of a problem using the same missions. Just keep in mind that if you don't have the mod, the things that the mod makes work, won't work!

Bellman · Joined: 14 Feb 2004 Posts: 1724

One small grouse - we are constantly asked to design 'for LwAmi.' What happens is generaly speaking
the MP scenario disappears down a Black Hole of complete silence and lack of reaction.

Laughing

Criticism and suggestions are FEEDBACK. Personaly I would like to have the opportunity, if required, to
make adjustments to improve the gaming experience. How else can progress be made ?

Molon Labe · Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:52 am Post subject:

The requests to design for LW/Ami originated back in the days of 1.01, when detection ranges were significantly different between the stock and modded versions. That DID make a huge difference, so it was important to keep that in mind when designing missions. I think a lot of people hear about missions designed for LW/Ami and think that it's still a big issue today, and a good majority of the requests to design for it are based on this out-of-date perspective.

So, unless it's clear that there is a specific, relevant difference that the requester would like to see put to good use in a new mission (say for example, AI helo prosecution), I wouldn't sweat it too much.

In a sense, it's actually stock DW that you may have to design missions specifically for, since the main difference between stock and LW/Ami is that in LW/Ami, platforms and weapons work the way they're supposed to. In stock, you may have to compensate for things not doing their jobs.

Bellman · Joined: 14 Feb 2004 Posts: 1724

Good point ML. Ping

You are right to poiint out that the actuality with LwAmi no longer conforms to our expectations from
past performance. Yep

Bellman · Joined: 14 Feb 2004 Posts: 1724

However SD posed his question from the standpoint of a designer with finished Stock product.

Some stock AIs may be seen to perform more aggressively in LwAmi. Is this now appropriate to what was intended ?
Will tests in LwAmi reveal 'some' other significant weapons and sonar performance characteristics, inappropriate in
this instance ? The issue can be one of tuning/ and tweaking, and balancing in some cases
making small adjustments at the margins. Finessing ?

Sea Demon · Joined: 28 Mar 2004 Posts: 970 Location: USA

You're totally correct Bellman. I find that these two missions I made do need some additional tweaking to make them playable for LWAMI. Otherwise they take too long for anything to happen. I'll have to adjust some distances for detection distances to work correctly.

Therefore I'll need an additional couple of days before I release these two missions. BTW, I'm doing this because I believe most users are now playing DW with the LWAMI mod installed.

Sea Demon