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Harry Buttle
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| Swede wrote: | | There is no right and wrong, people choose their own truths. But one truth remains, men on both sides died in an awful war, but only one side gets honoured. |
Only one side gets honoured because they weren't the side defending the mass murder of Jews, minorities, communists and trade unionists.
The honoured didn't join up to extend their countries lebensraum, to establish a 1000 year reich, nor to exterminate the untermensh.
They joined up to defeat the barbarians, protect their homes and liberate the oppressed. that is why they are honoured.
Don't try the "the Germans didn't know" nonsense - Mein Kampf was written well before the war. the Germans knew.
Moral equivalence makes me sick - there is a right and wrong - murdering 6 million Jews is not a matter of personal truth. it is evil. if you can't see that, then it tells us a great deal about you. |
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Cdre Gibs
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| Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok guys, lets not spoil the intentions of the thread and keep it civil pls. Thx |
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Der Eisen-Wal
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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Location: Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:02 am Post subject: |
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Lest We Forget the brave men and women of ANZAC.
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I live in Canada and our culture's appreciation for Canada's war effort is shoddy and embarrassing. When I visited Europe working on a documentary about a Canadian war hero, everyone in the French village (where the crew was hidden by the Resistance) knew the story about Mynarksi and the Lancaster crew. All the war memorials dotting the fields along the roads were amazing while here in Canada most people are clueless about it.
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I know, its really sad. While my family were not here at the time and had nothing to do with the war effort in Canada, I am proud of it's people and it's heritage in arms. I wish only more people would remember their own roots. |
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kiwi_2005
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Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| A family of a NZ ANZAC hero of ww2 wants to sell the medals, the govenment is trying to stop the family from selling them, they got offered 5.5 million from a UK collector. If this family want to sell the medals they have every damn right too. The govenment stepped in to look like they care about what happens to our veterans. Theres more to the story but i dont think it wise to put it up till the case is closed. |
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Boris
Joined: 07 Jun 2005
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Location: Bendigo, Australia
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:28 am Post subject: |
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for 5.5 million!!?
For that kind of money I'd sell them!
medals are just trinkets. The most honorable soldiers are the humble ones who think nothing of medals.
Like Charles Upham, VC and bar... always refused to wear his medals |
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bill clarke
Joined: 05 Apr 2005
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Location: Canberra, Australia
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| Boris wrote: | | Cdre Gibs wrote: | Borris.
I cant speak for the other's, only myself. To me it doesn't matter that you succeeded, but that you tried. The life of a soldier is not for all, but at least you stood up and had a go.
To me that alone speaks volumes about your character, in that you had the forthought to try to do service for you country.
The same can be said of your relitives regardless of what side they were on. There is no disrespect in 1 serving 1's own country, no matter the time frame nor the politics. A person can only try to do the best that they can and do it with honor.
I can salute my enemy for his Valour, Courage, Duty and Honor from 1 soldier to another. To do so brings no shame. |
Thanks for you kind words.
This is a far cry from the parting words of my commandant who (paraphrasing) said that I should be ashamed that I have only taken from my country and given little in return, and that one day I should consider repaying my debt to this country.
I attempted to break my service obligation five years before it should have ended, when I realised that a career as an officer in the army no longer interested me and that therfore i could not be an asset to the army.
I wanted to leave for a whole number of reasons, needless to say my whole outlook on life had changed a lot from the straight out of school guy that i was when I joined.
I planned to try everything to get out, without having to pay the exorbitant amount of money that the government wanted for the early severance of my service.
In the end an opportunity presented itself when my mid-year leave was denied. I had planned on (already booked) taking a trip to Europe with some of my Army mates and to see my family.
I decided to try and go anyway, since at this stage I was no longer in training and had little to lose. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), somehow the staff got wind of my intentions, and the night before my trip I recieved a direct order not to leave the base and to parade at 0730.
By that time the next morning I was at Sydney Airport, having taken a bus overnight from canberra. When my friends arrived 9ish, by plane, they confirmed my hunch that the MPs were at Canberra Airport looking for me.
We checked in our luggage, got through customs and onto the plane. Most passengers were seated and the crew was ready to close the doors, when I heard my name spoken. I looked up to see a badge in my face, accompanied by the words "Australin federal police, come with me please sir"
And that was that... the MPs flew me back to Canberra, where an angry Colonel tore me a new one and told me I would be kicked out.
 It's all a good laugh in retrospect now, and a bit of an adventure at that. |
Boris good on you for having the courage of your'e convictions, and good on you for sticking it to the Army (I'm a RAFFIE)  |
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tbarak
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I thought about enlisting when I was younger but the thought of being ordered to my death for a useless cause, just to pad the career of an under-worked, overpaid politician or bureaucrat didn't sit well with me. One day these guys are running a small family business, or bean counting for some consultancy firm or lobby group, the next day they're the head of the armed forces, having never served or having no clue about warfare or the well being of the fighting men. They give them shoddy equipment, half the troops can't meet the physical requirements, the politicians get richer and the poor die on the battlefield. Four Canadians just died in Afghanistan, and for what? Unless the enemy is on my boarder I would never fight in a war.
Better to sit in a country club (read prison), play golf, ride horses, get a free university degree then be employed through one of the myriad of government programs designed to reward society's misfits since they're downtrodden. Back to the documentary, after searching for government funding for three years to make a film about Canada's three airforce Victoria Cross winners, I gave up. The government has since funded films about lesbians, a porno called "Bubbles", a movie about that asshole Trudeau, lots of projects to do with aboriginal issues, and lots of films about hockey players. There was one government sponsored series called the Valour and Horror, which for six hours reinforced the claim that Canadians undertook barbarism during the war, killing women and children mercilessly. |
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joea
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Location: Canada now in Geneva
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| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| tbarak wrote: | | Back to the documentary, after searching for government funding for three years to make a film about Canada's three airforce Victoria Cross winners, I gave up. The government has since funded films about lesbians, a porno called "Bubbles", a movie about that asshole Trudeau, lots of projects to do with aboriginal issues, and lots of films about hockey players. There was one government sponsored series called the Valour and Horror, which for six hours reinforced the claim that Canadians undertook barbarism during the war, killing women and children mercilessly. |
:nope: :nope: :nope: |
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