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turbidite
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 Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:35 pm Post subject: sink the Bismark |
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Got the opportunity to watch it yesterday and was a bit surprised by the picture given of Admiral Lutjens (ie the "always remember you are germans, always remember you are nazis"). Was he really like that - the few survivors of the sinking have told this story or is it "artistic license" ?
Also some swordfish planes are shot down in the movie and if I remember well what I've read, all planes went back untouched ? :hmm:
On the other hand you get to see a short glimpse of Erich Topp at the very beginning  |
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Pax Melmacia
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Visit http://www.kbismarck.com/. They have quite a mouthful about the (in)accuracies of the movie.
Along this thread, with Hollywood's current fixation on remakes, CGI and big explosions, IMHO they should remake 'Bismarck' (and 'Das Boot'?  ). Ah, I can just see it now. Admiral Luetjens doing a wire stunt . . .  |
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fred8615
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| Remake "Sink the Bismarck"? I would be in favor of that. Not only for the better special effects (though the original isn't bad at all), but to hopefully make a more historically accurate version. Of course for that, it would have to be a British production. Hollywood couldn't stand not mucking things up. |
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Pax Melmacia
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| I, too, would like to see that remake. What would be intriguing is if they present the controversy surrounding the sinking of Bismarck. There are many who believe that she was not sunk by Swordfish torpedoes as has been assumed all this time, but was in fact scuttled by her crew, making the Big Biz truly unsinkable. |
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fred8615
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| A few weeks ago, the Discovery HD Channel ran a two hour documentary on filmmaker James Cameron's expedition to the Bismarck wreck. They did a very detailed survey of the wreck, including sending a robot mini sub into parts of the ship. While there was extensive damage to the upper works from shellfire, and to the lower hull from torpedoes, the Torpedo Protection System appeared to be completely intact. The expedition believed this meant the ship could not have sunk solely by the torpedoes that did hit it. Bismark *had* to have been scuttled. |
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joea
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| Pax Melmacia wrote: | | I, too, would like to see that remake. What would be intriguing is if they present the controversy surrounding the sinking of Bismarck. There are many who believe that she was not sunk by Swordfish torpedoes as has been assumed all this time, but was in fact scuttled by her crew, making the Big Biz truly unsinkable. |
No one ever said Bismarck was sunk by Swordfish torpedos. A Swordfish got a lucky hit on the rudders crippling Bismarck and allowing the Home Fleet to catch up with her and blast her to bits. Thing is the Brits were so close they only shot up the upper works (mind you knocking out her armament). I think you're think of the fact the a cruiser shot a few torpedos just after which Bismarck sank, which of course was too quick.
It is a bit silly, Bismarck as I keep saying when this question is brought up was pretty much irreparable. No way the Germans could have repaired her even if she were towed to France...and sctulling probably just speed up her sinking (once the crew abandoned ship there was no one left to do damage control) and prevented the risk of capture of the hulk. |
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Pax Melmacia
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| Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | No one ever said Bismarck was sunk by Swordfish torpedos. |
Ah, yes, you're right. I do remember now that Biz was struck last by ship-launched torps, and that it was an aerial torpedo that wrecked her rudder, which made her a sitting duck.
I'm trying to make a model of the Bismarck, and one puzzling thing I've encountered in my research is that even if a few crew members survived the war, none of them have been able to shed light on some unanswerwed questions like the scuttling (altho one claims he heard the charges go off) and whether the monstrous swastika on the forward deck was painted out or not before its last battle. (The Nat Geo pictures show a swastika, but it could have been covered by a tarp or else the fresh paint washed away through the years.) For that matter, no one can say for if the swastika's field was red or gray. |
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